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20/11/2005

Engormix.com
Argentina

serum of cheese to feed pigs

Greetings to all in general... it raises pigs with serum of cheese and I have animals that it guesses right age they walk with difficulty.. it is for excess of calcium or the opposite.. it is the weight or some other effect of the serum.. I would like to hear answers.. thank you..

01/12/2005

José Antonio Rangel
Venezuela

Hello. In fact, don't I have the smallest idea, but if you could determine the dorsal fat, or when making some benefit you did see a lot of fat?? Do I find that the serum of milk is very greasy, not you??

02/12/2005

Alvaro Alvarez
Venezuela

Hello, thank you for your answer... yes, the serum of milk is very greasy... Another thing that I have checked it is that the serum of milk fattens the animals, but in the hour of weighing them after of sacrifice they don't give me very good results... What I mean is that they don't weigh enough in channel... they don't surrender a lot. If you know something of suggestion, it would be of a lot of help... thank you.

04/12/2005

Juan Carlos Gómez B
Colombia

serum of milk has been used to feed pigs, it is generally used with a nucleus proteico that replaces the necessities of amino acids, vitamins and minerals of the animal, up to where I know the problem it is the handling of the serum, since he/she breaks down easily, the voluntary consumption should not be very high, for what can be a restrictive one.

04/12/2005

Alvaro Alvarez
Venezuela

thank you for their answer... in accordance with that of the serum, I am made more profitable to use it that to give them concentrated because the costs are very high... If you know of another feeding that is more accessible, it would be of a lot of help. Thank you.

05/12/2005

Victor Sulbaran
Venezuela

I carried out an investigation project on the absolute feeding of green serum, and notice that the results were positive: was I able to maintain a pig in their period of it puts on weight with pure green serum, but what did it happen? that the animal what takes is the carbohydrates, and that has to transform it in energy. The animal stayed I live and it gained weight considerably, but it was very weak and I lower in defenses. But if the suplementas with a food proteínico like corn or yucca that it is better and cheaper than the corn, would be perfect.

05/12/2005

Juan Carlos Gómez B
Colombia

Eye, as much the Corn as the Yucca ARE NOT foods proteicos, these foods are rich in starches (Carbohydrates), eminently energy elements, the NRC reports this way values for the Corn:
Raw protein 8.5 of the dry matter.
Energy Metabolizable: 3210 Kcal/Kg.
Energy Neta:2260 Kcal/Kg.
When using yucca, they should be kept in mind the levels of sour cianhídrico. For it when using it should be peeled and to air it, with that which you/they diminish these levels.
The values of dry and fresh yucca are the following ones:
Fresh yucca: Protein: 12g/Kg of the dry matter. 1.20 Mcal/kg of energy metabolizable.
35 of dry matter.
Dry yucca: 34 g/kg of Protein. 3.10 Mcal/Kg of energy metabolizable.

05/12/2005

José Antonio Rangel
Venezuela

of course that when benefitting the pigs you will have a lot of reduction since the one of meager that obtain it is very low for the quantity of corporal fat. If you could get some type of animal protein (flour of bones, fish, etc) to compensate the requirements. Have not you listened of the caribe flour? You can even buy the fish and to produce it yourself.

08/12/2005

Alvaro Alvarez
Venezuela

thank you to all for their answers and advice... I am very grateful. Yes, I know about the meat flour, fish, etc... but me only treatment of getting a more economic feeding, since the costs of this products are very high in the region in the one that I am. It leaves me more economic the use of the yucca or corn. Thank you...

13/12/2005

Leto Ignacio Echevarría
Argentina

I Have wide experience in the handling of serum of cheese in all the ages of the pig. The first thing that you should make is to fix a consumption average newspaper, and then to elaborate a supplementary food that allows to the animal to gather all the necessary nutrients for their growth. Regarding the problem of the hooves, you should not forget that as a consequence of the high micturition of the animals, these are permanently humid, and therefore they are softened, you should it increases the quantity of biotina and vitamin TO, to improve their consistency.

Dr. Leto I. Echevarría

13/12/2005

Leto Ignacio Echevarría
Argentina

regarding the one he/she surrenders, I forgot to tell you that the serum of cheese should be suspended 72 hours before the task, feeding the animal with solids and it only dilutes. Then the weights, and on this weight you calculate the one he/she surrenders in meat, if not, from since the reduction will be very big, and the one surrenders poor.

16/12/2005

miguel angel veils culqui
Peru

Hello. He/she wanted to know if it is that the serum in high quantities causes them some gastrointestinal transtornos to the pigs of any age. To me it happened to me in two occasions. He/she wanted to know if it is certain this, or he/she will be due to another factor. The serum supplemented it with the balanced food.

21/12/2005

antonio of the angel gamboa
Mexico

The serum can give it until the pigs reach a weight up of the 60 kilograms, later you would leave them rationing, suplementando with balanced food, and conform he/she goes arriving to its weight for sale or sacrifice, you would go him diminishing the quantity of serum and increasing the balanced food. In the last week or month you could give him a 90 of food and only a 10 of serum to obtain lean meat.

22/12/2005

Leto Ignacio Echevarría
Argentina

The serum, if you don't know how to manage it, it can cause you some problems, as the torsion of the intestinal package, prolapsos or diarrheas. Some of these problems are caused by the consumption in high quantities, or for the variations in the acidity of the same one. It should be offered that the serum always has the same pH, either sweet or acid. From since the first one is more nutritious to contain more lactose. The consumption should regulate it with the supply of supplementary dry food, which should be formulated according to the nutrients that it gives the quantity of serum that is given. For not having problems, I advise you not to give less than 1,500 kg. for head and day. Anyway, you should make yourself the idea that with the serum of cheese the mortality of the one puts on weight it is always something superior to which belongs together with a dry feeding.

04/01/2006

Daniel Hidalgo
Venezuela

Greetings to all.
I believe that the best form of carrying out a decrease of costs in feeding, is to carry out a chart with weight initial, daily consumption of concentrated food, daily gain of weight, cost for kg. of food for each stage, feeding cost for pig per day for each stage, and food type and quantity of food that you economizes in bolivars and in kgs. against the quantity of weight of the animal that one stops to win. To make all this only requires time and dedication. In my experience, a pig consumes:
- To the weaning, with a weight that oscillates between the 5 and 9 kgs., 500 grs. of food initiator until the 15 kgs. of weight, with a daily gain of 350 grs. of weight, being able to arrive up to 450 grs. The cost of food initiator of good quality is around 1100 Bs. and the kg cost. of pig in this phase is near 10.000,00 Bs.
- From the 15 kgs. until the 30 kgs. they consume 750 grs on the average., and they win near 550 grs. /día. The cost is of 950 Bs. /kg. of food.
- From the 30 kgs. until the 60 kgs. they consume in principle 1000 grs.y 1750 grs. at the end, and they win near 700 grs. /día. The cost is of 925 Bs. /kg. of food.
-from the 60 kgs. until the 100 kgs. they consume in principle 2000 grs.y 2750 grs. at the end and they win near 900 grs. /día. The cost is of 850 Bs. /kg. of food.
Taking into account this, we can calculate that the most expensive food is the one of it puts on weight or finalización, for what the best results will be obtained changing food of it puts on weight or finalización for:
-serum of good quality, fresh and of low cost.
-flour of yucca foliage with flour of yucca root or the respective mixture, but with sweet potato.
-flour of foliage of quinchoncho y/o flour of quinchoncho grain.
Lombríz -flour that is easy to take place, of low cost and it contains around 60 of protein.
-buds of corn of 20 cms. of height like green forage.
Cane -hearts or maralfalfa.
Whole -juice of cane, if we can sow a small plank, and to water it with the water of laundry of the corrals.

04/01/2006

Oscar Arroyave
Colombia

The serum is a by-product of the milky industry that is used in the swinish feeding, he/she has contained first floor of dry matter, therefore the consumption of this is high, it is used in combination with a nucleus proteico that basically it is Cake of fortified Soya, but you can also use flour of blood or of meat, if you get it in your area. If to pigs of 20 kilos you only give them serum, these don't fill the requirements of amino acids, therefore they begin to form very small fat. For that reason the weights and they don't give yield, they are fatty. The substitution of the protein source for foliage of leguminous that can be arboreal (Guandul or Quinchoncho or bean of poor, Leucaena, Pizamo, etc), or cringing as Kudzu, Centrocema, Caupi. It can arrive up to the 30 of this. That is to say, if to pigs of 20 kilos you give them 400 grams of soya cake fortified in combination with serum of cheese to will, the outline can be this way: 286 grams cake of Soya fortified more forage of these leguminous ones. Let us remember that the combination of this energy source like it is the serum, it lowers in fiber, it allows to use these foliages for contribution of raw protein.

30/01/2006

Red Alvaro Gomez
Mexico

Greetings Namesake...
In my earth they say that the one that wants blue celestial... that it costs him. In no way rot to have results of good to alone axcelentes using serum of milk. It is lacking in many things and I eat the colleagues well they say their consumption it can be very high, for what the biggest obstacle in pigs in growth is in fact that (I consummate). In pigs the crucial stage to have good rendimeinto of courts (in the hook or to the raztro) not alone it is the food of it puts on weight, from my point of view the stage of the birth to the 50 kg is the but important (for that is where it is deposited but protein) this way you require high levels of Lysina and energy sews that the serum of milk hardly contains. Solution SUPPLEMENTS, it will leave you but expensive but I believe that it is your best alternative, hechale numbers, be probably but revenue-yielding to spend but in the food and to win but with the yield..

For example: Almost I am for sure if you give pure serum and corn you have animals that take a long time but of 200 days to leave to market, with a good diet you can achieve this in 150 days. (they are 50 days less than food). Hechale numbers and then you count us.

03/02/2006

GOOD-LOOKING GERARDO
Venezuela

Dear Alvaro

He/she receives my greeting, in this opportunity I love you that the pig is an animal able to feed with a great quantity of products, however it is necessary to make a nutritional balance with the matters cousins that you have available, probably one of the problems of the use of serum like unique diet is the deficiencies of some minerals that can be causing you disorder metabolic at level of the animal. On the other hand the content of dry matter of the serum is very low, I suggest you you consult in the first place with a nutricionista and evaluate the changes.

Greetings

Engineer Good-looking Gerardo

04/02/2006

RAÚL ASENCION
Venezuela

Given the experience of you, how much it is the gain percentage that throws a pig feeding him with concentrated food, production of 100 pigs, and what race they recommend. Do I thank them the support that you/they can give me.

05/02/2006

roman jove
Venezuela

did I Hear that they commented on the flour of Caribbean, do they know where I can get it?

06/02/2006

DANNYZAMORA
Ecuador

I Think that the serum of cheese contains a certain quantity of albumin. Therefore he/she would come to be as a complement in the diet of the pig.

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