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19/11/2003

Engormix.com
Argentina

How to prepare the concentrate

Dear gentlemen: My name is Gerardo Elizondo, and I am beginning a small farm porcícola of it puts on weight in coast, Costa Rica. I need to know how to prepare the concentrate in the farm, and if this is cheaper than to buy it prepared.
Les will be very grateful. Attn.

Gerardo Elizondo

19/11/2003

Juan Gray-headed Rafael Villalon
Canada

The preparation of concentrate is something very complex and it requires of an exhaustive analysis, so much of the corporal condition of the animals, as well as of the knowledge of the matters cousins. Ending up elaborating the concentrate in the same property is the good thing, but it should not be forgotten that the handling of the matters cousins is something very delicate. It should be informed first about the different problems that can be ended up presenting due to the Micotoxinas and Aflatoxinas, with those that he/she will cohabit. As for the formulation of concentrated, I must say him that it is something very specific and delicate. If he/she needs that he/she helps him with some formulation in specific, with pleasure I will help him.
NOTA: Don't forget that the sanitary part and of programming of the inseminations it is something very important, since of these the point of balance of the exploitation depends. Atte.

Juan
(CANADA)

19/11/2003

JOSÉ ZAMORA HUAMAN
Peru

Dear friend: I write him of Peru. Not you how it is managed in Costa Rica, but we use balanced prepared by us, that is to say, we buy inputs according to the portion made by the nutricionista, and then he/she mixes, since the bought food is a little more expensive. I suggest you to advise you for a nutricionista or some specialist.
Ciao.

22/11/2003

cardinal red gabriel
Colombia

Dear friend: you put on the table the factor of more influence in the costs of swinish production. The feeding, in the one which the producer perfectly can invest between 60% and 80% of the total costs before leaving to the market, and for this reason in many swinish exploitations the elaboration of a balanced food is bread of every day, the first thing that has to evaluate is that if you elaborate a concentrate he/she can only make it for the stages of he/she gets up and it feeds (to evaluate the quantity of animals in farm, the consumption of these in these stages and nutritional necessities). Second, he/she has to make an evaluation of the possible matters cousins to use and of easy attainment (it analyzes transport, readiness of this the whole year and nutritional quality of the same ones, bromatológico or a dear one with charts of the area if it possesses it). Third, to dedicate a place for the elaboration and storage. Once well-known the previous variants, it can formulate a diet according to the necessities of their exploitation, it can use a nucleus proteico and suplementar with the matters cousins of the area that in general are rich in carbohydrates, adding a mineral premezcla and vitamínica of commercial type.

23/11/2003

Oscar Arroyave
Colombia

Hello, Gerardo. Basically to prepare the foods in your property, you should get a mill. You can mix initially to shovel. The matters cousins are gotten, because I know your country and all are gotten. The formulation is made depending on the temperature of your area, level of energy that you will use, consumption level, etc. Sends me the prices of the matters cousins that you get in your area, the productive phases of the pig, for those that you want to prepare food and I collaborate you. If you have possibility to produce foods in your farm, you tell me which you also take place.

24/11/2003

Luis Andrés Maldonado.
Guatemala

Dear Gerardo: the elaboration of balanced foods is a complex but not impossible work. The most important thing in this process is to know if the number of animals that possesses in the exploitation is the enough one to be able to appeal to this work, because believes me that if it is a small number, it is he more profitable to buy this food to a company that provides it. This is due to that the fixed costs will be distributed in very few units, that which gives a more expensive food as a result that the one that is in the market. Good, if the number of animals the amerita, he/she should acquire the charts of nutritious requirements of this species. These charts are in some places like FETNA. The elaboration of the diet has to be carried out with base in the energy or to the raw protein, already with these data and the listing of matters cousins within its reach can begin the formulation. Remember that he/she has to take into account some essential amino acids as lisina and other, and that it cannot use any matter it prevails. In this case I could give him a listing enough modernized on the matters cousins and their obstacles, therefore I will need their address of electronic mail. He/she also fits to mention that it can use some formulation programs, which are very common and he/she can find them in several places. An example is the NRC, this is a program an obsolete but very useful and easy point of managing. Everything depends on their demands. Good, I wish him luck with the formulations, and any question doesn't doubt to consult it.

05/10/2006

SAENZ JORGE
Ecuador

Oscar:

He/she receives a cordial greeting. I found very noble that offer Gerardo a formula so that he/she prepares their own food, since I consider that the great majority that we enter to this page, is to learn something of professionals as you.

Not you if you can help me with a formula for bovine livestock: veals and cows of milk.

I thank it to you in advance.

12/10/2006

Juan Gray-headed Rafael Villalon
Canada

If, clear, with pleasure I help him in the formulation of their nursing concentrate and development of veals.
Only tell more or less me which the corporal condition of its animals is, since the concentrate are very specific, and at the same time they are based on parameters that you/they go according to the metabolism of x or and animal, and it should be remembered that all the animals of same age, weight and corporal condition have different metabolisms, that which is according to the form of to synthesize or to unfold the foods balanced according to the levels of raw protein, fiber, macro and micro elements, which are bound to the true basic necessities of the metabolism of the animal.
Good, to finish I love you that it is something very specific and delicate, and that in some cases you will need suplementar to some animals to help them a little more to achieve their good corporal condition in the smallest possible lapse.

14/10/2006

SAENZ JORGE
Ecuador

Juan Rafael:

I understand you that need so many data for the formulation of a balanced according to your knowledge, in the form but technique and appropriate, but you should understand that in the 90m of the properties we don't have having the luck to have this type of knowledge, we simply try to improve in something with the help of professionals as your, for what my order was in very general and basic form, simply as a he/she helps small cattlemen

Thank you for your understanding

14/10/2006

Juan Gray-headed Rafael Villalon
Canada

Mr. Jorge Saenz,

I love him that on Monday October 16 at first hour will be sending him the analysis of guarantee of the different formulaciones,asi like in their matters cousins and the correct way of preparing the concentrados,con cantidades,etc.

18/10/2006

SAENZ JORGE
Ecuador

Engineer Juan Gray-headed Rafael:

Thank you for your understanding, I am for sure with your gracefulness we will benefit several small cattlemen of this region, only deeo to make him know that until today Marses 17 have not received that indicated.

My direccióin is: jsaenz@hotmail.com

18/10/2006

Oscar Arroyave
Colombia

Quero to clarify Luis Maldonado that the NRC is not a formulation program, this it is the institute that is devoted to establish the requirements nutricinales for the different animal species, obsolete in it paginates it of the NRC ecuantras nutritional requerientos for pigs I finish it it is of the 1998, but won milkman stops and of meat you find those of 2005 2006, the same thing for cats, dogs and fish, formulation programs are Mixit - win3, Mixit-2 brile and other, to formulate at the minimum cost is made by means of the use of a formulation program or the use of a program of lineal programming for that I eat your you say serious to formulate hit or miss, without having encuenta the prices of the matters cousins, a food formulated hit or miss can leave you at the same cost one bought or maybe but expensive.
The step leaves to formulate they are the following ones:
So that species is the food
To establish the nutritional requirements (Already defined we won't invent them)
With which matters cousins prepare and prices put in the property
With the listing of nutritious and the listing of ingredients with their respective prices one runs the formulation, the program it throws me an it formulates that it fills me the nutritional requirement but at minimum cost.
It is necessary to observe here that if I don't have many matters cousins, I am not able to him exiguir to program that I am filled all the nutritional requerimentos of the animal, it should be prioritized, if single story with 4 matters cousins, alone I ask him me to be filled protein, energy, calcium and match, fiber maxino and etc, but if dispngo of synthetic amino acids, mineral vitamin premezclas, sources of protein of animal origin and vegetal,variedad of sources of energia.le can exiguir that mellene most of these.

You can formulate with matters you not prevail conventional, fresh banana, fresh yucca, cane juice, cane picada,lombrices, fly larvas, blood fresca,bore, chachafruto, pejibaye etc. If the formulador has these analyses complete proximales he/she can make it.

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