Pig Industry - How to lower costs in the breeding of pigs - Production Starting-Up


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25/08/2005

Carlos Antulio of León Rivadeneira
Guatemala

don't I have studies that demonstrate what I say, but in an opportunity we do use some gramineous ones to give him in fresh to the pigs of it puts on weight, the results for my they were good, since we continue producing lean meat, did he/she improve the flavor according to the destazador and did he/she decrease the consumption of concentrated commercial.

25/08/2005

Yoalmo Canes
El Salvador

Hello Ricardo. To be able to lower the costs in your exploitation it is convenient that you control pesos, define your plan preservative, look for foods to substitutes of desperdicos of food or viscera of birds, and the complemetes with concentrated, besides defining your productive dynamics.

31/08/2005

jhonny alcocer
Bolivia

am I, as many of you, new in the area of the Pig Industry, but am I convinced that the feeding based on corn and soya, adding some more economic ingredients, as the one saved of wheat, refined of rice, medic flour, is etc. the best option, if we try to raise with alternative products do we have to consider that, the obtaining, transfer, and is treatment of these supplementary foods also expensive, besides having to add some nutritious components to reach to the nutritious requirements of the animals, with what will the sweet potatoes be cooked?, how will we transfer the by-products milkmen and others? Everything has it a cost, outside of we should have it a stricter control as for sanity of the animals, since the alternative foods can be polluted, and lastly, we have to take into account the time in that you/they will be put to the market, the quality of the meat and the obtained weight.

07/10/2005

Julio Mario Vengoechea or.
Colombia

it is certain that the yucca and the banana are eatable matter for pigs, but in the experience that I have, it is necessary to balance the feeding so that conversion exists and an important point is the product palatabilidad. But it is stiller the process that one has to make to the product through year of the workers' work so that this you him of to the animals, if he/she gets complicated a lot the feeding project he/she leaves to the floor and benefits are not obtained for their consumption.
The ideal thing is to revise the different alternatives for food of pigs in the region, acordémonos that the pig is a monogástrico, but that doesn't mean him not to feed of grass. At the present time I advise an exploitation with grass consumption for shepherding and in turn in the diet he/she is given trebolal 10 of the same property, with conversions of 670 to 700 gr of growth per day.

Julio Mario Vengoechea

09/11/2005

carlos anzola
Colombia

My name is Carlos Anzola, and intruding in the business of the pigs, I have found some feeding alternatives for these that not you if I am making them well or bad. I use forage of corn (granillo) soaked with serum, and I supplement with a protein (chicken gut). I would like to know other alternatives and comments in this respect.
I thank all information since in this I am learning.

Carlos Anzola

09/11/2005

Diana marcela sanchez carries it
Colombia

One in the ways of lowering costs in the swinish production is to look at other alternatives, like they are galletería by-products, brewery by-products, and some other possibilities like tubers.

18/11/2005

Daniel Hidalgo
Venezuela

Gentlemen participants:
The use of substitutes like yucca and or sweet potato in the feeding of pigs should be made trying to incorporate them to the concentrated formulas, for that which you/they should be milled and to dehydrate although it is partially. In a farm of 4 hectares, where one works with corrals of concrete, and they are washed periodically, it can take place 1,5 hectares of corn, sweet potato or yucca, under watering with these waters that are the best fertilizer. If you siembra corn, they can be obtained from 5,000 to 7,500 kgs of dry grain, what would generate for any producer in any country a very important saving. The topic of the swinish feeding is infinite, and all those that we contribute some experience will have in the experiences and other people's ideas the matter he/she prevails to make the swinish business every more profitable day.
Greetings to all, sincerely.

Daniel Hidalgo

08/12/2005

Victor Sulbaran
Venezuela

Mr. Hidalgo, greetings. I count him that inside little he/she could tell him if that of using that type of water that it is dsperdiciada in the laundry of the cochineras it is good, because he/she gives the chance that I have the galpón of concrete, and they are 4 roofs that when they rain they arrive to a tank together with the water after having used in the laundry, and we put him a motor that injects air to the tank, and we apply him lime to kill infections or more than everything to avoid the scent. Then that water comes out to a lagoon that became special for that, it stops later to use it with the end watering with payment, but it seems that the excrement of pigs is very strong, and he/she can until killing to the bush, that is to say that it is necessary to have much care with the quantity of excrement that is dissolved in a quantity of residual water.
And to Mr. Carlos Anzola tells him that I was also revising and investigating, and I reached the conclusion of using: Yucca, Serum, Corn, and the chicken viscera, that him you by means of investigations, and it seems that it is a very complete food and I lower in costs. Clear, adding it to the commercial food, all that milled and only dissolved in a food.

08/12/2005

Daniel Hidalgo
Venezuela

Mr. Victor Sulbarán:

Greetings to you and all the users of the forum. With regard to the use of the residual waters in the watering, I have seen the effect thoroughly on the grass, and it is extremely beneficial, I am sure that it is same for the corn.

12/12/2005

Carlos Chilito
Colombia

Hello to all. After reading their answers sincerely, I realize that what I can contribute is very little, since not you much of grasses and of tubers. The truth is that I am also a beginner in this topic, and I would like to have its indications. At this time I have 15 sows, of which 6 are already to have their first heat, and I would like to know how I should enlist it to be since mother I have just lost 14 you raise the mom then he/she didn't give milk, and I didn't have form of feeding them. For all that you/they can contribute me, thank you.

13/12/2005

Daniel Hidalgo
Venezuela

Greetings to all.
The sows that will give birth to should receive a portion of concentrated food of 2,5 kg. if they are in good condition after 2 months of pregnancy. Almost all the formulations premium of each commercial mark look like each other a lot. Investigate on the medium or big farms that have more than 3 years working, and they use concentrated foods of some or some factories. That is a good parameter to know which it is well formulated. To the moment of the childbirth (6 á 12 hours before), food should not be given until it has finished the childbirth. Then it is given: the day 01 2,5 kg., the following days you 1 kg increases. until arriving to 5,5 kg., if he/she has 10 alive pigs. For each extra pig 0,5 kg should be given. additional. The weaning should be carried out between 21 and 28 days of nursing. When being weaned it should give from 3 to 4 kg. of food to the sow, so that among him more quickly possible in zeal. When he/she enters in zeal, it should be given 1,8 to 2 kg. of food, in a single portion in the morning early, during the first month of gestation. The gestation formulation is usually one of those but economic, for what I believe it should not be economized in this, but in development and put on weight.

31/12/2005

adrian anaya angeles
Mexico

Hello to all in the forum. My name is Adrián, and I am from Mexico. I am a small producing of pigs. I go beginning, and my little experience tells me that the to use a concentrate and to mix it with milled sorghum, he/she gives a good meat quality with a minimum of fat in the animal, this logical provided the animal doesn't surpass of about hundred ten kgs of weight. The truth not you if this is the best option, but this is my contribution. I wait it serves somebody. If they have a better feeding form, to please send it.

31/12/2005

Daniel Hidalgo
Venezuela

Greetings to all.
It is good to clarify that it means in animal numbers of first floor contained fatty or high percentage of meager. A pig of 95 to 100 kgs. of weight of having around 10 á 12 m.m. of dorsal fat, with a yield of channel of 60 á 62 when pellados benefits. If we feed with commercial foods of good quality to healthy animals, that of dorsal fat only depends on the genetic quality of the progenitors. Calculate the cost (for each pig) of the most expensive hog that you/they can get in the company of swinish genetics that you/they have within their reach, dividing the price of the hog among 20 females and enter 10 pigs for childbirth, for 2,2 childbirths for year that is the normal thing, and they will realize that to lower feeding costs also depends on the genetics, because the most meager animals have better conversion and quicker growth. Ask many specific questions, for all those that have experience, emit answers or concrete opinions. A hug to all and Happy New Year.

02/01/2006

Daniel Hidalgo
Venezuela

Greetings to all.
The matter prevails to substitute expensive items of the feeding it depends on the geographical conditions, edafológicas, cultural and all those related with the producer and the production unit. In areas of low precipitation with very lingering periods of drought, it is necessary to use botanical seed of any cultivation (sorghum, corn, soya, sunflower, etc), or to have a small watering area to maintain vegetative seed (sweet potato, yucca, etc.). If the precipitation is very high, without dry periods that allow to prepare siembra areas, one has to think of almost permanent cultivations as quinchoncho that can take advantage the foliage flour and of the grain also. Personally I am convinced that it is necessary to try to maintain the maximum productive efficiency, and to go supplanting part of the concentrate that bigger economic weight has that contrary to what many producers believe, it is the finalización food for the quantity that wastes away daily for each animal. The yucca flour (that provides high energy levels), one can obtain by means of a relatively simple process, as well as the flour of quinchoncho foliage (that provides high percentages of protein of excellent quality and digestibilidad. If each person wants to place of example her specific conditions, among all we can go contributing a pool of ideas that can be taken advantage of by other producing with the same conditions.

04/02/2006

RAÚL ASENCION
Venezuela

how's it going boys. We have most the same restlessness for the comments, for me the surest thing, if it is raised in big quantities and we take into account that we cannot take a risk, it is to give him their concentrated food and to look for discounts with the suppliers. Then they can be carried out tests with 2 or 3 pigs and to look for the best relationship price, value, time (risk). Of what we have not spoken it is which the race is more recommended for it puts on weight and under normal conditions of storage what a time you can store the food.

06/02/2006

Oscar A. Osorio C.
Panama

Dear Friends:
I believe that it is necessary to differentiate the exploitations in Small, Medium and Big. When we speak of Small, they are generally managed by the own family, and here yes it is important to look for supplementary feeding that can help to lower the costs, because the own owner of the exploitation goes if he has or non result the use of a supplement calls you, sweet potato, yucca, etc, etc. these exploitations don't Usually measure the profitability per you, but rather it is a way of subsistence, that is to say that have few mothers and few animals in it feeds, and they even can until selling the animals below the bought price, and when abundance of these exploitations, the price exists it is possible to transform product of a black market, like in the case of the Ecuador, Nicaragua, etc.

When the exploitations are medium, and I refer to those that go from 50 mothers to 500, it is already then had an administrator, probably a doctor and he/she has consultantships, and it is very probable that is already as the exploitation but commercial that of subsistence, and in all that I have seen it is a little difficult to implement a program with the use of supplements that is not through a complete feeding based on a formula that can be in dry, or like it is ventilated in liquid Europe as soup.

And the exploitations Big y/o mega projects still find it more difficult this.

Such and as I commented it some time ago, I believe that depending on the area, the country or the type of exploitation that one has is important to make a program of what it is what is wanted to achieve. For ejempl,o for small exploitations, indeed I would try to look for alternative of feeding, use of you excrete them to produce gas, payment and of using modules in each stage, in such a way that if it will grow, alone he/she has to give continuity to the infreestructura.

If they are medium and big exploitations, here it is a Financial and Productive topic. Although it is certain the feeding it is a 65 at 70 of the production cost, if we don't have a good productivity in the number of pigs for mother to sacrifice, our costs won't lower. Today this super proven that it doesn't care the cost of the food in the small stages, because here the price of the kilo of food is high, and in the measure that the pig goes growing the feeding or the kilo of food is cheaper, for it exists it a relationship between the sale weight and the cost of produced kilo of meat, in that sense today per today the new races or genetic lines, allow to take to the pig to weight I live from 113 to 115 kg or of 250 pounds with a grosor of spectacular fat.

The porcinocultura in my opinion has 5 paws of the table: Genetics, Nutrition, Sanity, Facilities and Teams and lastly Handling. He/she can that we have the best genetics, the best installation and teams, the best handling and the best Sanity, but if we don't have a good Nutrition, the productive parameters will be faulty and I can mention this way other examples. I believe important that one cannot neglect none.

Recently he/she played me to make together with a Financier a diagnosis for a company of 300 stomaches that was losing, and I take us near 6 months to lift all the information... at the end we lift several scenarios in a computer program that allowed us to have as much the Financial part as the productive ammarrada, in such a way that if we changed an index, I eat for example to ascend of 8.9 born alive at 10.5 that was reflected automatically, in the state of results and the loss diminished, and we made this way it with: to lower mortality pre weans, to elevate the number of childbirths for cerda/año, to elevate the sacrifice weight, to lower the nutritious conversion and I take us to it to the recommendation that this company that was losing had to invest 250 Thousand Dollars to obtain: New Genetics 100, to Improve Facilities, Improvements the Nutrition and to Hire a Veterinarian... after one year this company was with 10.5 NV, 9.2 detetados, 2.42 partos/cerda year, the weight to sacrifice was of 110 Kg and the economic recovery was favorable, determining a kilo cost a lot but I lower, with diets of more cost.

The problem in the Porcinocultura is that many farms don't take registrations and it is sometimes difficult to make an I diagnose precise, and the first thing that it is necessary to make is to lift information of everything, at least of one year to be able to make forecasts.

In summary, I believe important to make or to look for alternative, but let us take care of the productivity of the cluster that has to do with the production and with the reproduction, with good nutrition alternatives according to the requirements of the existent genetics and for ende, to see the financial part as for as going down costs, but the sum from everything to the fianl, to follow the outline of having a good table with the 5 very stable paws is what will indicate us as lowering the cost of the pound or the kilo of meat of produced pig.

Greetings,

Oscar A. Osorio C.
Panama

09/05/2006

oscar renteria gonzalez
Colombia

good afternoon, gentlemen of the forum. I am agricultural technologist and zootecnista in formation. I have worked with pigs for some years, and with regard to their questions of how to lower costs, it is very certain that these are the bottle neck in the success of an exploitation. I recommend them to work with supplements of leguminous forrajeras like it is the chachafruto, mulberry and the ramio, those which to provide high you even proteicos and they are of excellent digestibilidad for the animals.
Luck.

09/05/2006

ricardo guiñez
Chile

it is necessary to have the pig in a very reduced space and God willing to cut him the line so that it spends the smallest quantity in energy.

10/05/2006

Julio Mario Vengoechea or.
Colombia

my name is Julio Mario Vengoechea, Engineer of foods. At the present time I advise a swinish exploitation, under the characteristics that want, including that it is an organic exploitation. In this exploitation we use in a time potato or cooked sweet potato, and our handlings arrived until the germination of the potato to improve their nutritional value in the energy contribution, because the starches become sugars. On the other hand we frequently use as product it shatters the brewery yeast. I also advise another exploitation of serum of milk inoculating kumis seed to increase their value proteico and improving the intestinal flora of the same one. The exploitations are to open field, with the minimum of constructions, and animals of 95 kg of weight are obtained in 180 days, to a temperature average of 10 at 17ºC.
Rehearsals are making with brewery bran, but our conversion average is of 750 gr/día, and the rehearsals have not improved this level (550 gr/día). It is also used ponque morona, cookie, guava pepa, molasses, burnt eatable oil,
forage of corn, flour of rice, salt, carbonate, phosphate and salt. I am carrying out rehearsals with ruminal, melote and liquor of brewery press.

01/06/2006

claudio muñoz
Paraguay

Hello to all. I am in an emprendimiento for breeding of pigs in half high Paraguay. Of how much it should be the ideal facility of animals that I need to begin, and some feeding recommendations, care and reproduction, and of also knowing about the appropriate races for it. Any help, opinion or comment, he/she would already thank thank you them a heap, and desda.

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