Pig Industry - facilities deep bed - Management


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27/04/2005

Engormix.com
Argentina

facilities deep bed

hello, I am interested in carrying out it puts on weight of pigs of 20 KL up to 100 kl, he/she wanted to receive all the information on the system of deep bed for the one it puts on weight
thank you

27/04/2005

fernando zea
Colombia

I request in a formal way, information with respect to exploitations porcicolas with bed deep topics as, construction, materials, adaptation to facilities already established, sanitary plan, density, recommendations and all information refrente to the topic.
thank you.

06/05/2005

José Jimenez
Colombia

HELLO
GALPON-50m2 at 1200m2
I WEIGH Initial-pigs from 20 to 35 Kg
I WEIGH FINAL100 AND 120 KG
SIZE OF THE LOTS between 40 and 850 pigs
DENSITY / CERDO1.2 to 1.4 m2, depending from the climate and final weight to the sacrifice
I MANAGE OF THE Sanity-system of lots everything inside of everything it was, to avoid individual handlings, medications only in the water or food.
I STEP in earth that allows a good drainage.
QUANTITY OF Bed-the trash of cane 8 kg/m2, chip 0.3 m3/cerdo. Recebar bed is owed starting from the second month of it feeds it.
#OF USES OF BED it is possible to recycle it 2 to 3 times, it leaves of the bed.
FACTORS THAT AFFECT THE REUTILIZACION-density, final weight of the pig, quality of the bed, variables of the means, sanity.
TROUGHS AND Drinking trough-troughs automatic dry system / humid, capacities 15 to 40 derdos / team
FOOD conventional foods, but I give to will.
Personal-a person can assist up to 6500 pigs, with system of automatic feeding.
USE OF THE BED the compost is of high value fertilizer, it doesn't produce bad scents, neither you plague after the retirement of the galpón.

He/she notices. Facilities that were dedicated to another type of exploitation, are a good option to be transformed into galpones of it feeds under the system of DEEP BED (DEEP-BEDDING). It is An ECONOMIC AND VIABLE ALTERNATIVE FOR ALL PORCICULTOR.

13/06/2005

MARÍA ZAMORANO
Peru

Hello a question more, is it only adapted for it fattens - completed or also in other stages?, if feasible to 3200 msnm in the peru, the you take care of huancayo it is. As for illnesses there are incidences of I infect contagious. Thank you.

07/08/2005

GILDARDO PINEDA
Colombia

The one that doesn't know the past is condemned to repeat it (ghandi)
For not swallowing entirely it is necessary to have the full stomach (me)
Don't lose the logic neither the common sense, don't fall in the deep bed, (me) was that system prohibited in the time of the slavery, when the Africans raised pigs, for the terrible health conditions, the pests, the diarrheas, are the mushrooms factors that are presented, like it will be in deep beds, do the new technologies request toilet, do toilet, toilet and more toilet, in farms tecnificadas of the alone world use very clean farms, does the modern porcicultores even have lifted floors so that the pig doesn't play the cement neither the humidity, think at night of the cold in a deep bed, do think of the gases of ammonia that are formed in a deep bed, and as they wash it? among to a deep bed after 60 days and breathe what you/they breathe their pigs, be contagious of those that will be contagious their pigs, sleep at night in the colds of the deep bed, because for the logic and the common sense not to the deep cam, don't lose the logic neither the common sense, don't fall in the deep bed.

12/08/2005

René Eduardo Archers Armijos
Peru

do I Want to know in detail and in conventional terms what deep bed it is?, and which is the advisable thing for climates that on the average are of 30°.
Thank you.

13/08/2005

Alejandro Calderón Towers
Mexico

Dear friends...... in my opinion it is not anything advisable this system, practically these condemning your animals and your pocket, you will have enormous lost... ..observa to the Canadians or English ...jamas would use this system... high .tenlos, half slat, half floor...

Greetings.

16/08/2005

melissa rodriguez
Colombia

I Believe that some are with a very erroneous concept on the deep bed, it is since a good option for the production of pigs they feel more comfortable and to if same vain to win weight, the only thing that should be had is perseverance with the occupations of picking up the humid parts every day so that this he/she doesn't become deep mud, also, in the facilities adecur a place is owed in floor under the drinking troughs so that this it doesn't wet the bed or of the drinking troughs that you/they bring tub so that he/she doesn't fall the water. And the truth in the developed countries if the deep bed is managed some very big mobile corrals they are used as carps and they manage a great quantity of animals in deep bed to fertilize the floor when this time finishes they lift the carp and they place this way it in another place denado fertilized the piece where they had the pigs in deep bed... .espero that serves people that are interested.

21/08/2005

GILDARDO PINEDA
Colombia

In the magazine of Pig Industry of this week in Colombia play the topic deep bed and they give him a very poor valuation and they don't recommend it, but in the corrals they request toilet more I clean and a lot of toilet to avoid the ammonias, thing that you could not avoid in the deep beds that disappeared and they were prohibited in the time of the slavery, another thing is shepherding in mobile corrals, if it is an alternative system, something but clean.

26/08/2005

Roberto Chavarro Chávarro
Colombia

Attentive greeting. Motivated to involve me in a small porcinocultura project I have had the opportunidad of knowing some facilities with the system of deep bed in Coconuba, Choachí and Ubaque, Cundinamarca, where they are using these alternatives of deep bed, because they are more enconómicas, because the well-being of the pigs is evident and because without any doubt it is a system that is producing to the porcicultures good earnings. The floor is in pure earth and on her they are placed from 30 to 50 centimeters of bed. They prefer the arróz husk, because if it is sawdust the pig when trying to eat them it can suffer lesions, even lung. The aireación system gets it by means of covered in chapel leaving a side of the highest roof that the other one. The orientation of this ventilation opening depends on the régime of winds and the opening allows to leave the air exactly in the sense that the wind habitually circulates. So that the drinking troughs don't wet the bed, the chupos is external, for that which you/they leave a small window to a convenient height of the floor, for which the pigs take out the muzzle to reach the I suck. THE water that is slippery falls in a canaleta that picks up it. The pigs choose a sector of the bed to urinate and to defecate, so that the part where they sleep and that it coincides with the sector where the troughs are it remains dry. The lateral walls are made of brick, block or wood, depending on the readiness of materials and the economic conditions of the porcicultor. At this time and due to the costs of the block and to the drop of the cement, the brick comes out more economic and it is a single expense. With the wood changes of charts should be making or of stops them. The facilities are built near the housings by security and handling easiness and they can make this way it because there are not annoying scents, something different to what could be thought. The deep bed can reach for two or three groups of pigs, after that which you/they make a heap that you/they manage to produce compost, a payment of excellent quality. The floor once taken out the bed is whitewashed and flamed and left in rest about two or three days, after that which the following lot enters of it puts on weight. For the sows if they are individual the cubicles, because for them the food is not ad libitum, if not rationed, depending that they are pregnant or suckling. The facilities that I visited prefer chute troughs with concentrated to free disposition, similar to like one makes in the henhouses. The pigs are not anxious waiting the food, they consume it ad libitum and each trough they guarantee it for 15 to 20 pigs, according to their construction. There is not to be making toilet every day, the one in charge is limited to revise the chutes and to be they filling of concentrated. There is not I waste of food and the pigs, in spite of having the food to will, they seem to consume less and to win more weight. I have pictures of some of these facilities. The roofs are made of plastic in some places, because they don't have problems of hailstorms and the plastic can last up to 5 years. Laterally there are curtains, also of plastic, but it can be polisombra, which you/they rise or they lower according to the temperature and the ventilation that it is necessary. In Agrinal (Purina) they don't object and before for the opposite they recommend the system of deep bed for considerations of costs. But I obviate who wants to make their facilities in cement and to be picking up the urine and the manure, because they can make it, if they prefer this way it.

Cordially.

26/08/2005

Roberto Chavarro Chávarro
Colombia

Post it dates: where there is cane mill, the trash it can also be used to prepare the bed. The one that definitively less they recommend, but some use in spite of the problems it is the wooden chip. The sawdust to be finer, it can be aspired by the animal suffering secondary breathing problems. There are also places where they use other elements for the bed, for example grass dive. The important thing is that they are elements that catch the urine and that they isolate the pig of the floor.

Sincerely.

26/02/2006

David Gustavo Lozano
Colombia

do I Fry in deep bed?
NO. The systems of deep bed demand good ventilation for the high production of heat of the same ones.

Dirt in deep bed?
NO. The systems of deep bed diminish the environmental impact of the swinish productions to be cleaner as for the handling of you excrete. When having enough space the animal it differentiates the spaces, either to feed, to sleep and to defecate.

Ammonia in deep bed?
Firm NOT. The bed that is used diminishes the levels of ammonia, and at the same time to be a systems of good ventilation, this vanishes.

Forbidden deep bed?
NO. This is not the time of the slavery where pigs took place, now we produce pigs. The feeding is made with concentrated, the handling of the sanity is different. The deep bed in Colombia is in increase.

Doesn't the producing Moderns have deep bed?
NO. The green production is a demand from the market to world level, the deep bed began in Chinese, it continued in Europe and now in Latin America we are finally giving ourselves bill.

Advantages:
Animal well-being (although they don't believe it... the most important thing in any exploitation)
Green production
Decrease Stress
Deficiencies of since Iron are not presented the pig he/she obtains it of the floor
He/she decreases the problem of scents for the smallest production of gases
Economy
Better or same conversions
There are not fly problems
Decrease of the mortality
Obtaining of payment of excellent quality which one can sell

Disadvantages:
Treatments in specific animals difficult
I increase of bacterial load in beds used in more than two cycles
Bigger ventilation necessities
High cost of workers in gathering of the bed (In Colombia it is not a lot)
Cost of the beds (+ when near sources are not had)
It is only used in he/she Gets up and it Feeds 20 - 100 kg. aprox.

I hope this information is they of utility for not falling in contradictory opinions. To see the advantages of the deep bed common sense it is only needed, or they find that an animal is better in confinamiento situations and all that this carries.

28/02/2006

Oscar Arroyave
Colombia

One of the savings in deep bed is the water, since the whole day it should not be washed like in floor of concrete. There is smaller vertimiento, since for that reason they are bothering the environmental authorities a lot. Additionally, the bed compostada you can market like payment. With the system of drinking troughs and troughs that are used at the moment, there is not I waste of food and less water. A problem that I see to the deep bed is the material. For example, we are in an area cañera, and the farmers of mushrooms are already buying the whole trash. A solution could also be the heart or chopped cane tip, the same grass of mature and dry court, or grass.

09/03/2006

Augusto Zanotti
Venezuela

Greetings. My name is Augusto Zanotti, of Port Ordaz, Venezuela. Can you place this system of Deep Bed with Sawdust (Sub Product of the Process of the Wood)?

09/03/2006

Roberto Chavarro Chávarro
Colombia

Mr. Augusto Zenotti, I express him an attentive greeting.

The sawdust doesn't recommend it who have used it, because the aspiration of this material can produce Pneumoconiosis, a due lesion to the micropartículas aspiration. The sawdust like such it doesn't reach the lung alvéolos, if at all the windpipe and the bronchuses (cause of cough and of bronchial irritations), but when the sawdust is dry and it is moved, loose very small particles that yes they are aspired, and quee can generate the biggest problem. And the pigs are friends of rooting the bed, one of the recommendations of the deep bed is in fact to be covering, matching the material of the bed. And while they root the dry sawdust, they aspire the powder that looses.

The chip, a more ordinary residual that is when brushing the wood, neither is recommended, because in the chip they meet wooden particles with tip that when attempting the pig to swallow them, they can break the esophagus and to produce Mediastinitis, a severe lesion that can be mortal.

It seems that the instinct of rooting is related with the hunger, more than with the desire of passing the time, so that an option to diminish that action is the supply of food ad libitum. The full, satisfied pigs, don't want to root. They want to sleep. And if the pigs are limited to eat, to sleep and to eliminate excretes, they will consume smaller quantity of energy and they will take advantage in a more efficient way the food. And against what could be believed, the pigs with available food permanently, eat less and they achieve bigger weight in smaller time. The Canadians and the Chileans have interesting works in this respect.

Him more recommended for the deep bed it seems that they continue being the husk of rice, the wheat fuzz or of barley, the cane heart, the trash, or the court grass. Leaves of bushes with tender branches have also been recommended.

Cordially,

Roberto Chavarro Chávarro

10/03/2006

Augusto Zanotti
Venezuela

Greetings Dr Roberto Chavarro.
Thank you for their wide answer. He/she wanted to know if he/she has some address web to continue investigating on the system of deep bed.

14/03/2006

Fabio Libardo Rivers
Colombia

Cordial I greet Dr Roberto Chavarro. Their knowledge are appreciated here by the light of the articles manifestos. I am a porcicultor Casanareño, and I would like to know if you have some space in the net, or if in their defect he/she has some address of electronic mail that I can facilitate to bother it with some restlessness that I have on this topic.
Ahead of time, a thousand thank you for their information.

Fabio

07/04/2006

Roberto Chavarro Chávarro
Colombia

Hello Friends users of Engormix, I present them an attentive greeting.

There is who want to know on the materials used in the infrastructure construction for deep bed.

Respectfully I suggest them to visit places where these programs are established. We had the collaboration of AGRINAL, (Purina) who, through the Medical Department, the contacts and the Veterinary Doctor facilitated us of then, it accompanied us to Conocubá, Choachí and Ubaque, to farms where they had begun to the system of deep bed, after having used per years the conventional systems. He/she got us the attention of a farm in Conocubá whose porqueriza is separated from the porqueriza about 40 meters and they were contruyendo a new porqueriza, in which you/they were dedicating a space in the first floor for the offices of the Company and a second floor for the steward's housing. If these porquerizas in deep bed generated unpleasant atmospheres, like it usually happens in the traditional systems, the driver would not be so near the housing, neither in the second driver they would be building an office, and less the steward's housing.

The deep bed is a good option for what we have seen. We wait in one year to speak for our own experiences.

In our constructions we don't use roofs of plastic, like we saw in the visited farms, because in our region hailstorms that perforate it usually fall. There are also seasons of hurricanes that would also be taken a roof of plastic. The rest that we have made if it is very similar to as they make it in some of the visited farms.

Politely I suggest them to speak with those producing of concentrated, to ask them who of their clients they have the system of deep bed, to request them consultantship and also collaboration to make the contacts with those producers and to get the permits to make the visits to the farms. Also to request that they accompany them or that they present them, because the visit to the farms is only accustomed to be allowed under certain securities.

Cordially,

Roberto Chavarro Chávarro

07/04/2006

Roberto Chavarro Chávarro
Colombia

What it punishes, it should be read:

He/she got us the attention of a farm in Conocubá whose main vivenda is separated from the porqueriza about 40 meters and they were contruyendo a new porqueriza after the first one, in which you/they were dedicating a space in the first floor for the offices of the Company and a second floor for the steward's housing. If these porquerizas in deep bed generated unpleasant atmospheres, like it usually happens in the traditional systems, the driver would not be so near the main housing, neither in the second driver they would be building an office and less the steward's housing who would not be willing to accept to live above a driver, if this I/you/he/she generated an unpleasant atmosphere, pestilente.

11/04/2006

alexis perez
Colombia

Greetings friends porcicultores. I want to know what handling they are given to you excrete them that daily they retire of the facilities of deep bed, if it is necessary to give them a special treatment, or com fertilizers can be used when moving away them.

12/04/2006

Roberto Chavarro Chávarro
Colombia

Alexis Pérez, Zootecnista and friends an attentive greeting.

One of the advantages of the Deep Bed is in fact that there is not vertimientos to the sources of water, neither there is to be moving away daily you excrete them. Neither there are bad scents if the ventilation is adapted, and it should be it, because the deep bed generates abundant heat, good in cold climates, but inside certain limits. If there is excessive heat, the curtains should be lowered, and to go up them, if that makes it is cold.

If the populational density is respected, 1.2 in the cold lands to 1.4 square meters for animal in the warm climates, the animals for instinct dedicate the driver's sector that non pigpen, to urinate and to defecate. Another part remains clean and dry, it is the bedroom and the feeding area and recocha. The feeding is ad libitum. To the long one they eat less and they win more weight, they can leave before some days to the sacrifice. And an important advantage, is not estrés for hunger. When people arrive to the drivers, the pigs are not anxious and waiting food, if not that if they are playing or sleeping continues in their activities, as if anything. This estrés absence improves the quality of the channels, and it is a factor that you/they value the good consumers of the pig meat very well.

The deep bed can be used during 6 á 9 months. That is to say, it reaches for two or three cycles. When taking out a cochada of pigs, lime is applied above the old bed and more bed is added. If the level of the bed spreads to lower, he/she should recover. And if the animals root, the bed should be matched. This last amerita daily surveillance that one makes when the level of the food is revised in the automatic troughs.

Obvious, after two cycles or still of three, he/she has abundant material that you/they recommend to transform with lombricultura humus of the best quality that one sells to take place or you utliiza to improve our prairies and cultivations.

In previous message I recommended to look for consultantship with the procesadoras of foods, to visit farms with deep bed that there are them several in Conocubá, Choachí, Ubaque, among other Colombian municipalities.

Cordially,

Roberto Chavarro Chávarro

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