Pig Industry - do they Exist alternative complementary in the feeding that allows to reduce costs? - Nutrition


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05/12/2002

Engormix.com
Argentina

do they Exist alternative complementary in the feeding that allows to reduce costs?

I wish a great Greetings to all the People of this forum. Do I want to elaborate a Project of Breeding and do Put on weight of Swinish, for what I see myself in the necessity of requesting information on this project, mainly very especially on the Feeding of the Swinish one and the elaboration of The Corrals Where the Lechoneras is made, the parideras, the corrals of he/she gets up, etc.? Or any other important information that I allow to decrease operative costs.
The same as my compatriot Mauro Terranova, I am also thinking of the breeding of swinish locked in corrals with industrial food, but I eat the one he/she says this it is very expensive. Will they exist alternative complementary in the feeding of the swinish ones that allows to reduce costs? or which is the best feeding?.

12/02/2003

Neptaly Carvajal Chacon
Venezuela

I Believe that as all the Venezuelans they are taking out numbers and they don't give, the breeding with concentrated food to the current prices is impossible, I am looking for the way to maintain the sows with what can.
The corrals that poseeo is of cement block with roof of zinc are what doesn't come out so expensive and the cages are buying them used.
The truth is that there is not but to make, to give them serum in the stage of growth cane of sugar, residuals of bread (shells of bread) they are gotten in the bakeries to reason from 1000 to 2000 bs the sack. I wet them in water with salt and something of mineral, before the barley was gotten but with the unemployment of gasoline not but it was to reason of 60bs the quite economic kilo in comparison to the food that costs 500 and something the kilo.
Where have your animals?. I have them near the piñal if in something I can help you you write me. Greetings

26/03/2003

jorge humberto cardinal red galvis
Colombia

of course, the pig is one of the species easier of feeding, but first you need to know about the daily requirements of the pigs, to try to get cheap feeding and that it diminishes costs.
Soy engineer of animal production, and in the property that I am administering, we give soya flour, corn in flour, fish flour, palm oil.
Estos ingredients the swinging to be given them to the pigs, also that the owner can get them cheap and it fences. Debes to wonder what foods they are to your disposition, the price and that they cover the necessities of the species.
Cualquier asks, write me making click on my name, and with pleasure I collaborate you in what can.

05/05/2003

GOOD-LOOKING GERARDO
Venezuela

Dear friend Mendoza,
Mi names he/she is Good-looking Gerardo and I am Agricultural Engineer.
Actualmente a system of upbringing of pigs exists under the method of deep bed that allows him to reduce costs of facilities and handling.
Referente to the alternative of feeding, yes they exist if we speak of small farms for the volumes that should be managed.
Estoy to its order to converse and to advise him.
Contácteme making click on my name.

14/05/2003

Andrés Looks them
Mexico

it is Always difficult to think of a feeding program, the best, is always the one that gives you the best capital return, what is called Cost-Beneficio.
Con a commercial food or even taken place in your own installation, without a lot of investment, it can occur excellent results.
Se has to tie the Program of Feeding and the long of the period of it puts on weight. If you make numbers, for the quantity of cycles of it puts on weight that you have in one year, it is always profitable using a commercial food, because you fatten more pigs a year and they are diluted the fixed costs.
Incluso if it is analyzed well, you can implement a combined plan, adding by-products to the diet, as those that comment in the previous answers.
Si has some doubt, write me.
Saludos.

26/05/2003

Oscar Arroyave
Colombia

Hello, Marlon.
Como in your country, in Colombia the Pig Industry goes by bad moments. The price in foot is the same one of two years ago. We are working with matters cared cousins that dolarizadas are. It is necessary to generate technology for a more sustainable Pig Industry.
El CIPAV, is an ONG that a lot of east topic has worked. The same thing the Cubans, have they worked with trees forrajeros, cane of sugar, yucca, yam, organic waste, do you plant aquatic.
En the tropic that is where we are located, should we take advantage of these characteristics where the production of biomass is high.
En Colombia is already established farms where one works with sustainable systems of production, where he/she is integrated the agricultural production to the animal, conserving the water and assuring the reciclaje of nutritious.

27/05/2003

Kevin Lindux
Argentina

Mr. Oscar Arroyave. Me seem very interesting what comments us.
¿Podría, please, to be explained in detail?.
Muchas thank you.

28/05/2003

ricardo argudin
Mexico

If in the proximities of your community poultry farms exist, these every day they have mortality and they don't find how to come undone of her.
Coces in boiler those chickens, with everything and feathers, such which the recojes of the poultry farm. Already cooked (this way whole) you give them to him to eat the pigs. (It manages this food in wheelbarrow and with shovel).
Esto has limitations and disadvantages: you will only be able to give it to eat pigs between 60 and 80 kgs of weight (because the pig meat you arrives to chicken that is).
El handling of the resulting water of the cooking turns out to be very fragrant, they invade you all the flies of the world (you achieve them to mitigate with SNIP). And the worst disadvantage is that, instead of taking out a pig in 154 days to 100 kgs, the sheaves in 210 to 230 days.

08/06/2003

Luis Hernando Leyva Neira
Colombia

Greetings to the members of the forum.
Hago a food suplementación with a by-product of the molinerías called mogolla: I revolve it with molasses and salt.
Honestamente, I don't know which their results cost-benefit are, and as for yield and productivity in the animals.
Agradecería orientation.
Gracias.

09/06/2003

David Beltran
Ecuador

Mr. Mendoza:
Le writes from Ecuador. With my father we possess a small hatchery, and that makes to replace the commercial feeding, it is to help to our sows with cane of corn, carrot, banana and broccoli, giving good results.
Si some participant of the forum believes that I am making bad in feeding this way my pigs, please, make it to me to know making click on my name.

11/06/2003

luis felipe lasso
Colombia

Hello.
Mi names he/she is Luis Felipe Lasso. I reside in Colombia.
Igualmente is interested in implementing a small breeding farm. He, and in a supplement of the newspaper The Time of Bogotá of the day June 7 (called Lands and Livestocks), an article came out on a tree used with multiple applications (among them, that of nutritious supplement), called MATARRATON, rich in proteins and vitamins, for bovine, swinish, birds, etc. should be given dry and milled in 20%.
Mayor information, contact me and I send him the article.

05/07/2003

Rafael Angel Walls
Venezuela

it is certain that in a swinish farm the costs, in a great percentage, are attributed to the feeding, a good producer or manager should know the significant thing that it is the INDEXES OF NUTRITIOUS CONVERSION that it is necessary to neglect in none of the phases of the growth of the animals for any reason, but it is also certain that the managers are killed the head looking for new nutritious formulas to improve these indexes, forgetting that other managerial strategies exist to increase the global yield of the company, during a certain administration.
En my case, I had an experience in an exploitation where premature childbirths were implemented. With this decision he/she diminished another indicator that was the interval among childbirths, the number of born pigs increased, it diminished (not significantly) the weight average of the litters, the number of weaned pigs increased, the number of pigs increased to slaughterhouse, and he/she stayed THE INDEX OF NUTRITIOUS CONVERSION. This expressed the significant improvement in the profitability of the company with a small step.
Ojo: this was carried out in a farm with strict controls of their registrations, and a high degree of statistical analysis.

11/07/2003

Pedro Borders
Costa Rica

Dear Marlon:
El system of swinish production in much of our tropical countries has been an it copies of technologies developed in atmospheres of temperate climate, what has not allowed us to see the big advantages that the tropic offers, among which he/she is the high production of green matter.
He well-known systems in those that the feeding of the pigs carries out it in great measure with materials characteristic of properties or in any event vegetable material that diminishes the costs and that it maintains the yields to a certain extent. Es that flours of corn are using and of soya and mineral salts, but a very interesting alternative is also the use of cane of sugar (energy) and nacedero (Trichantera gigantea), mulberry (Morus dawn) as main sources of protein.
Da click on my behalf, since to me it also interests me to share information.

28/10/2003

gayoso
Venezuela

I don't have alternative. Yucca flour, sweet potato, the use of the shaft or air part, more a mix of afrechillo of rice, molasses, minerals and vitamins. The production costs are not high, and their profitability, better than the concentrate, which are impossible to buy.
Respuestas to my mail. Thank you...

24/11/2003

JAVIER HERNANDEZ
Mexico

he/she would request the favor to people that have chosen cheap feedings if they could put in the table the production results, since I am convinced that that it is not the form of diminishing the costs. They exist forms that are in the real decrease of the costs, for example to wean up of 10 pigs for given birth to sow, to obtain up of 11 alive born pigs, to increase the fertility to 90 annual%, the interval among childbirths to 143 days, the conversion of 6 to 100 kg is 2.6 or less, the days of age to 100 kg are not under 150 exact days approximate, etc. This will help more than to use by-products that diminish the yield, is wanted or not. Also to begin if the costs are drowning us, it won't be that the balance point is very for up of the production? For example, is it necessary to produce 10 pigs of 100 kg, and perhaps we are producing 9 pigs with 99 kg? For that reason the costs drown us and we don't leave, and we toss him the blame to that the matter cousins dolarizadas is. Let us revise where we are stopped to know what to make. Let us don't lose from view to the companies that yes they are leaving and they are expanding. It is certain, others close, but I know one of 15000 stomaches that are stealing him of everything and it puts the responsibility to the government for not helping him.
Saludos.

27/11/2003

Cristian Pereda
Chile

From 1930, my family has made of the upbringing of pigs its philosophy of life, servants with the remains of potatoes (sweet potatoes) blended with bread soaked in serum of our production, chloride of sodium, potassium and zinc, ferrous sulfate and other salts, also in the time of the corn with pressed grains, all very natural one and the best thing at a cost that gives laugh. The indispensable thing is to know the energy requirements and nutritious, it will only be achieved this way him not to get lost anything.

16/12/2003

edgar jose alvarez c
Venezuela

Friends of the forum: think seriously of the GREEN FORAGE HIDROPONICO (FVH), like an alternative in the swinish feeding, shared with BALANCED portions of that taken place in the area: corn, yucca, sweet potato, leucaena, mouse tail, flour of blood, flour in the flesh, mulberry.

06/01/2004

juan muñoz camacho
Peru

In the place where I live there is a plant aquatic called sargasso. Could it use it in the feeding of the pig, could they tell me how and in what quantity?

15/04/2005

sergio boy
Colombia

In Cúcuta, Colombia, we are working with protein banks and energy directed to bovine, but we find that you conviente in an alternative multipropósito for the animal produccción, then we rehearse with Pigs and what we are investigating is the production of a concentrate that uses: Cane forrajera, Mulberry, Matarratón, Leaf of Yucca, Button of gold, which are chopped and aired and then molasses is added, saved of wheat, salt premezcla, sulfur, palmiste, flour of grains itched by gorgojo and everything is blended with material ruminal very fresco.Todo this is ensilado and at one time of 20 days it is available for the feeding of the pigs with a balance acceptable nutricinal, because the microorganísmos of the rumen returns assimilable the biomass of the yucca leaf, matarratón and other. The costs diminish in at least a 35, and we are mounting a rehearsal to measure yields of gain of weight. The truth is something that we are making personally and the cost of investigating is very high.

Sergio Boy

16/04/2005

EDUARDO MARTINEZ CHAVEZ
Colombia

Sergio, as these??
You can register information on the handling of the yucca leaf to avoid intoxication of the pigs, that is to say which is the procedure that you use
Thank you

18/04/2005

sergio boy
Colombia

Eduardo...

If it is very simple and the information took it of the experience of Prestom in Cambodya and it consists on cutting the yucca shafts and then to chop the material of shafts and hojas(conviene shafts non lignificados to take advantage of bigger volúmen), these they are aired, according to temperature of the area among 6 at 10 hours, then to this material he/she is humidified with water molasses (1 kg of molasses for 3 to 5 liters of water of water depending on the thick of the molasses), I make it with back bomb and I already distribute this mixture in the yucca biomass aired, later on ensilo in plastic barrels, placing the preparation in the interior and ramming permanetemente again each 30 cms volume entered to the barrel and this way until finishing filling and to close the tightly possible ma´s. To the 59 days the product asimilabñle is completely, without risks, because the HCN s edisminuye to it evens that non ofrecn any risk and one can give directly to the pigs.

The same thing but using the rumen, it can diminish the times to 15 or 20 days but in that it is that I am experiencing.

greetings

sergio iván

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