Pig Industry - Clostridios - Health


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14/02/2006

Engormix.com
Argentina

Clostridios

I Greet foristas it is a case of field, it is a primeriza of 3 months of gestation it was presented with alteration of the consumption and state of spirit, past 18 hours the pesones was observed 4 later of dark color and colds after 2 hours of having observed the square began to convulse, when evaluating the nipples they were dark with accumulation of blood. Past 4 days the sow that was in the same corral miscarried the pigs. For field reasons it could not take samples for diagnoses.
Due to their experiences I would like to know that I should make in the future.
Thank you.

16/02/2006

M.V.Z. JOSÉ GOOD-LOOKING MANUEL NEIGHBORHOODS.
Mexico

Dear colleague, don't condition them to him of the farm where he/she is the sow, but it is convenient to revise the bioseguridad outline that keeps the farm, as well as inplementar an appropriate and specific vaccination calendar for clostridios isolated in the same farm. It would require of more data.

16/02/2006

María of Jesus of Haro Cruz
Mexico

I would recommend him before anything an appropriate disinfection, since the probability that they are clostridios it is high, and the spores are very resistant. Since it could not take clinical samples (that which had been ideal), it would recommend him to use a bovine polivalente to avoid a new bud. Also take care that all that is used in the handling of the animals is sterile or aseptic, since if he/she doesn't make it it can disseminate the problem to the whole farm.

16/02/2006

rafael menendez
Argentina

I Hope the environmental conditions are the appropriate ones, the clostridios is inhabitants and very important settlers in the nature, their erradicación of the hatchery is almost impossible, but one can cohabit with the same ones establishing vaccination plans, and to begin to use acidificantes in the diets to diminish possible rebrotes.
It is important to consider the elaboration of the diet, the origin of the inputs, the history of the hatchery and the origin of the reproducers (that this last it is solved with IA).
Potenciar the state inmunitario is important, and mainly the protection of the youngest.
To disinfect the place where the focus began with fenoles, formaldehyde, quaternary ammonium, etc. if the floor is of material, but if it is of earth, the spores are buried and it becomes a telluric illness, and he/she gets complicated if in the feeding pastures intervene.
I need more precisions on the farm. Cordial greetings.

16/02/2006

juan carlos newmark or
Colombia

Juan Carlos Newmark

I agree with most of the answers and advice that have been given, but I would like to know what feeding it is using in the farm, especially if by-products or nutritious residuals are using meat products of waste especially, or what feeding type they have in the farm.

16/02/2006

EDGAR JHONSON CAMPOVERDE DIAZ
Ecuador

Edgar Campoverde
ECUADOR

Good, thank you to allow me to integrate this group. I am not an expert in swinish. I carried out a seminar that I dictate the FPI of USA it has more than enough processed foods. Perhaps I can help commenting him that the clostridios is generally developed in lightly sour pH. It should be analyzed what clostridios type, since if we speak of the clostridio botulidiun, coarse with which it has consumed a gram, it would take to the sure death. It is important to analyze what feeding it consumed, of this last one that I am being spoken to them it can only eliminate it controlling the pH. So that it is not developed, a smaller pH should be maintained at 4.5.

16/02/2006

andres camargo
Bolivia

he/she Looks, I know that you are concerned with regard to this topic so important as it is it that sow. What I recommend you is that you wash their nipples with the milk of another sow that is not infected clear, and that you cover the nipples with pezoneros like we call here in Bolivia, they are made of wool of thick fullo. After having him treaty if there is supuración that is not anything strange, in these cases he/she will have to be nesesaria a fissure for drenar, and later on a suture, to treat her and to maintain cutleries and sheltered the nipples, even until after having finished the treatment, immediately after the breedings have suckled. This usually happens because their breedings should have hurt the nipple, and the cold numbed the wound.

17/02/2006

minx velasquez
Guatemala

Hello. I suggest that for next time, when dying the animal, take a fabric muesta and be taken to the microbiology laboratory for their study, and it is necessary to see the characteristics that it presents the fabric, since the clostridium it is a bacteria saprofita.

17/02/2006

edgardo casasola bonifaz
Peru

Hello, professional siblings. With regard to the infection y/o clostridium infection, I share with the answer of several colleagues, but I clarify that this type of bacterias is generally anaeróbicas. Likewise the specificity is carried out by means of tests serológicas of the toxin and of the somatic antigens. As for the natural environment where you/they are they are, the floor and the digestive tract of the animal and of the man. The form of acquiring the species patógenas of the clostridium for the sensitive animals, is by way of contamination of wounded or for via digestive. Now, the means that should be adopted are indeed the bioseguridad, the disinfections with compound iodóforos and clorados, as well as the isolation of the sick animals to other corrals, and if it is advanced the illness, the sacrifice and the cremation y/o funeral with all the sanitary measures. Also for their protection some bovine polivalente could be applied, but like we know that they have several stumps and they are specific.
The revision of the nutritious inputs, I feed, supplemented with good cleaning of atmospheres or galpones, personal and escretas elimination in places previously conditioned for this.

MVZ EDGARDO CASASOLA BONIFAZ

17/02/2006

Manuel Gual Sewed
Mexico

Hello. Being a case of clostridiosis, once confirmed the diagnosis, is to make an appropriate vaccination program to the pigs with bacterina - toxoide, to wash and to disinfect the childbirth cages as well as to the pigs before placing them in these facilities. It is convenient making a treatment to the whole reproductive cluster of 275 ppm of Bacitracina Metileno Disalicilato (2.5 Kg of BMD 11) during at least 21 days. Once finished the general pulse, to continue as a preventive program maintaining the same dose, but only in the nursing food (15 days before the childbirth and 3 later).
You can find bigger information in this respect in the memoirs of the congress AASV 2001 in the article have more than enough clostridium control from Schultz et to the.

17/02/2006

GRARDO CUAUHTEMOC BARRIER RAMIREZ
Mexico

more than anything it should be separated and to apply some medication that avoids this.
To avoid that it miscarries hormones they should be applied.
After this, if you don't know what it is, he/she is sent to make an analysis and to vaccinate her to avoid this case again.

17/02/2006

Ernesto Ordóñez Talavera
Peru

Dear Colleagues, members of the forum and dear countryman: do I believe that if you could not extract a sample of the dead animals, the option would be valid of taking some samples of other animals that are sharing the corral or neighboring corrals, so that us of an idea of what noxa the possible one was causing of the death, and to be able to take the measures of pertinent bioseguridad.

17/02/2006

miguel angel Palestinian rdz
Mexico

Hello colleagues. In field we can find different cases, and because the insecurity biological and little information given by the porcicultor can made a mistake. I agree with many of the answers, but the presumptive analysis he/she doesn't give us 100 percent of our problem. Here only it is necessary to increase or to create a bioseguridad plan, and when seeing another apparent case, to be prepared for the taking of samples and to be able to lean on in the laboratory analysis to be able to decide. Thank you and greetings to all dear colleagues, bye.

18/02/2006

Hans Andresen S.
Peru

Javier:
The square that you describe nipples 4 later of dark color and colds after 2 hours of having observed the square, it began to convulse, when evaluating the nipples they were dark with accumulation of blood... he/she suggests a septic process with gangrene in the udder. It is not mentioned for anything the presence of gas in the gangrened fabric that should have been present if has been an infection caused by Clostridium spp (for example Cl. novyi, Cl. septicum, Cl. chauvoei, among other).
Consequently, I think that the process have been cause by some other germ that can cause septic processes with gangrene. Among these we have Pasteurella sp and Staphylococcus aureus.
It lacked clinical information and of post-mortem, they didn't take samples for cultivation.
I don't believe that the abortion of the other sow has some relationship with this case.
I have the impression that it is an isolated case, and that for the tando it doesn't commit the health of the farm. With everything, I agree with thoroughly coming to a disinfection general, previous cleaning from the farm. In the disinfection I suggest to use creso of high quality, or formol, or a sour yodóforo, as Vanodine.
Greetings,

HANS
Hans Andresen S.
Veterinary doctor - MSc
Professor Emérito UNM San Marcos
Lima - PERU

18/02/2006

Roberto C. Surrounds
Peru

I Suggest and I agree completely in that one of the first medidad to take, it should be the one of restating the whole outline of the bioseguridad and the calendar of vaccinations and revaccinations in its farm. The probable presented clostridiosis is a problem very difficult of solving because the esporulación to the contact aeróbico generates very resistant fields to the general environmental factors, until per years. Now, of having presented the case in the farm, the performance more seriada to the case would be to isolate the suspicious animal immediately, to restrict the access to her, and to go to the patient with the appropriate pharmacology. Now yes in this last the laboratory performance is decisive. Some stumps clostridiales are normal inhabitants in the intestinal flora in some species, it would also suit to evaluate all the systems of handling of the farm, from the revision of the inputs for formulation of the food until the introduction of possible animals without the measures appropriate and logical cuarentenarias of everything of control preservative, I reiterate that the first measures to consider in suspicious cases of clostridias, due to their importance, it should be the isolation and control and shipment of samples of the infected units.
A lot of luck.

M.V.Z R.Copa

18/02/2006

Irina Nadieska Peniche González
Colombia

Hello,
I agree he/she doesn't mention crackling of the nipples, and this is a sign very disciente of a Clostridiosis.
I recommend him it is very careful and don't forget the recommendations about the disinfection (Formol, Vanodine 80 cm for bomb of asperción of 20Lt), or I flame of the facilities. And verify of equal it forms their vaccination plan and the conditions of storage of the food that give in the farm.
Successes,

Irina Peniche González
M.V.Z. Córdoba - Colombia

20/02/2006

yolanda Crujeira
Uruguay

I am medical veterinary. I have worked with pigs for about 20 years, mainly feeding with serum. During many years he/she had problems with clostridios. Nowadays we use -no you if it is specific, but yes you that he/she gives result - the clostridio vaccine for bovine in an unit of 3 ml in pigs, in mothers twice a year. We have not had more problems. Not you if it was of help, but it is what I can contribute experience.
The hatcheries that I work are in the environment from 60 to 120 mothers.
Attn.

Yolanda

20/02/2006

MIGUEL FIGHTS CERGA
Peru

Friend LUYO, the clostridiosis is an illness which will take you at a 50 to 60 percent of death toll, being been able to even present at 4 hours of life of the pig, once a pig has this illness, it is not able to survive.
The only road of avoiding it is the vaccination to the 35 and 14 days preparto. Some investigators recommend to eliminate the pigs whose breedings presented this illness.

20/02/2006

ISAIAS CORNER MEJIA
Colombia

it is important to manage bioseguridad conditions, to subject to a period of rest minimum of 90 days the corral where it was present the sow, as well as the perimeter to 25 meters where he/she was. Likewise it should implement a program of cleaning and disinfection using a formaldehyde.
I thank to send more information of the exploitation where he/she is the farm.

20/02/2006

Claudio Gerardo Sarnari
Argentina

Dear Javier: I read the case that you presented us, seemingly it seems quite sharp, and in these cases it is necessary to act as such. That of the vaccines is very valid and it works very well, but if you are in front of a problem where it has never been vaccinated, and the immune pressure against clostridios is relatively low or null, tenés that to attack it with antibiotics (penicillin estreptomicina), and combine it with flunixin meglumina to prevent the lesions that provoke you the toxins that it would be acting as antiendotóxico in this case.
In the event of being facilities with earth floor, I suggest you to use in the hole sanitary lime moisturized as disinfectant, this alcalinizando will act the means in which the clostridio won't be able to develop neither esporular. That yes, when using the corral again, remové the lime because it can produce lesions in skin, in the event of facilities on cement floor, usá the disinfectants before mentioned that they work very well.
I wait to have been you useful in something with this brief suggestion.
To your disposition,

Claudio

20/02/2006

Elver Quirita Gonzales
Peru

good night. The clostridios is several. Here in Peru we call it clomplejo clostridial, each one with similar symptoms, but with different agents, all are clostridios. Not you which of them it is the one that affected their sow. It would recommend him that it uses a vaccine that contains the six types of stumps for clostridios, we use the ULTRAVAC 45, it is for bovine, but it works in swinish in dose at the 50.
I congratulate him that he/she has not opened to the dead animal for the autopsy. That adapted is to bury him or to burn it, but a well directed autopsy would be excellent, but in a distant place to the farm.
The bioseguridad topic is indispensable to avoid entity type of infections.
I hope to be able to contribute in something to this topic.

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