Pig Industry - Article: Evaluation of treatments with preservatives T1 (ractopamina Hydrochlorate) and T2 (Yeasts + lactobacilos) as factors... - Nutrition


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05/07/2006

Victor War Rodriguez
Mexico

on the other hand, I invite to the foristas to continue participating and to outline their comments here.

05/07/2006

CARLOS ORTIZ CASTRATES
Guatemala

As I mentioned it to you in a previous intervention, and with all the respect that you deserve, I am very of agreement with Adelfo Lopez Boy, and I also consider that you should not take the things like offensive, but rather on the contrary, we can help you to carry out a better design in a next investigation, and also being from Mexico where there is so many good statistical, I consider that making a designed better investigation, you would obtain reliable or valid results so that to those that we like the scientific investigation we can learn.

05/07/2006

José Guadalupe Franco
Mexico

Dear partner Victor...

Before anything else, I congratulate you for the effort with which you carried out this work. I like this work, because I am also carrying out an investigation on the same one, but, revising the comments before exposed by partners and colleagues of the Veterinary Medicine and Zootecnia as well as animal nutrition, I coincide and not with the comments carried out by Carlos Ortiz and Adelfo Boy. Yes, because the groups used in the treatments are very reduced, and having used groups of more number of animals, as well as the one that these have only been male or only females, he/she would give more credit and truthfulness to your work. I don't say that it is invented, simply that in that way they could be mentioned in some other work. And good, I don't agree with people that I have mentioned in the fact that if they like to carry out some comment or critic to the work or the author, for they exist it forms of carrying out it, therefore I exhort to the foristas to that an atmosphere of respect is begun.
Partner War, also to tí I tell you that if somebody has offended you here, don't respond in the same way. I know that you defend your work, I would make the same thing!! But we should take the comments in the best possible way. And well, lastly, continue in the investigation, I know that with the experience you will publish more and better articles!!!!!!!!
Until soon, and thank you for their attention.

José Guadalupe Franco
Student of Veterinary Medicine and Zootecnia
Autonomous university Metropolitan-Xochimilco

05/07/2006

Victor War Rodriguez
Mexico

how's it going Atty. CARLOS ORTIZ CASTRATES.
With respect I express him:
Not you if they don't know how to read or they want to arrive to another point. My reason of publishing this article is with the reason of giving a practical and understandable article, I don't unite scientific and of having adapted such an experimental design. I am only expressing a way to make the things, and to incite to other to make them and to modify them to their approach. I say this since I have commented it previously.
We see each other!!

05/07/2006

Victor War Rodriguez
Mexico

A greeting to all!!!!
We will speak clear: the reason of publishing this article is another to the one that many think, beginning that many say or they speak of the scientists. If of that it was, my first option would be a journal, or Animal Science, since there scientific articles are published, but that it is not my end, mine is to offer a technical article of popularization for all, of practical way and technique of what one can make when making a handling of these factors.
And I comment them this since I don't win anything, they are not giving me a scholarship to study in Wisconsin, Nebraska, Russia, stay in a ranch, no, anything that. It is only a way to transmit the knowledge to all and each one of those that read it, ok. So I request respect and seriousness to what you/they plant, and any doubt will be listened.

05/07/2006

Victor War Rodriguez
Mexico

on the other hand, I will play something important of the why I defend my work.
1° a while ago listened a problem in swinish productions in finalización pigs where outlined that it would be good to arrive to the good weight in less time of the conventional one to reduce the operation costs in the swinish administration. And I thought about that challenge that the truth is not anything easy, and I will tell to all why: it is not easy to arrive at a ranch, and to say is nutricionista and I give excellent results. Noooo!! That is only theory, the reality for all it is there out, in the field, in county, in clusters, in backyard productions and tecnificadas, not here in a computer where you only write and you write, and it cannot spend to more, not in classrooms where as they tell us the solution to the problem, but you arrive to a case and your recipe is not the same one or it is not the solution.
The reality is there out, not in a PC, neither in some words. Take this very in bill because all that that has their experiences or he/she has them, he/she knows about the true great problem that I am speaking.
When one decides to carry out an Investigation, he/she has to step many ranches, one after other, until finding one, and the problem is not that, but generating a positive and true solution to the problem of the production and of the producer.
Many think that with reading scientific articles, international magazines, etc, knows so much that when being raised to a problem they know the solution, I tell them, I comment to all, there are not recipes neither an unique solution exists, it is necessary to generate new strategies and to outline them live to see if truly they are viable.
At the moment, in the productions and exploitations in Mexico, there is not field for the Veterinarians, it is very but very scarce, because there are many factors that are involved, to mention: idiosincracia, culture, age, residence place, among others.
When one arrives to an exploitation, although you are so good, they always doubt of tí, it is where will have to enter one and to demonstrate their capacities and knowledge.

05/07/2006

Victor War Rodriguez
Mexico

I in the particular thing, for this Investigation had to battle, and the whole expenses ran at bill of the producer, and the costs of preservatives and handling aspects ran for my bill. It is not easy to say there I will make an investigation and to see if it leaves me, but without it generates costs, he/she will have to have them, and I comment them that these preservatives are of high costs in my country.
To me they were opened the doors to the realization of this work, but with the condition that I would respond for the partial or total loss of the animals or of any other productive expense in the exploitation, it is there the great problem.
But thank you!!! to God the things worked me, and today in day I know diverse productions, and my way of being worked it has disclosed, now many know me and I am happy!! and desirous of continuing building new things.
We see each other soon!!!!! I wait it has served as a lot of east comment for many foristas. Thank you!!!!!!

05/07/2006

Victor War Rodriguez
Mexico

Ahh, forgets me, thank you for your comment, partner José F., the truth your letters made me the necessity to reflect the above-mentioned.
We See each other!!!

11/07/2006

carlos gomez urquiola
Venezuela

The article has more than enough feeding with preservative it is very intersante as for that he/she helps to look for other alternatives in the earnings of weight of the pigs. Now then, he/she wanted to know if the ractopamina hydrochlorate you consique in the market and with which commercial name.

14/07/2006

Victor War Rodriguez
Mexico

how's it going dear Carlos Gomez Urquiola.
A greeting and answer to your comment--he/she looks, the ractopamina hydrochlorate has few years of leaving to the market, and in some countries he/she has left introducing to mention one, my country, near 6 years ago, and because the name commercial American is the one that one knows in the net, you only put in the searcher and he/she gives you the company, for what I have listened in other countries there is the same one, but of other companies.
Ahh good point that had not been played.
Indeed, it leaves of the interest of this work it was the one of checking formulas to evaluate the alive weight of pigs in field, that which brought me glorious been since I was able to design a new methodology to be helped of a calculation leaf where the alive weight for zoometría resembles each other too much to the real one with a minimum standard deviation. I would like to contribute with an author of some book, and perhaps this way to publish this method. We see each other!!!!

14/07/2006

carlos gomez urquiola
Venezuela

Distinguished Dr.: I read their work of preservatives again in the nutrients for the pigs. Today I have begun in 10 weaned pigs, the administration of yeast of beer with copper sulfate, to the doses recommended by you The pigs has a weight of 6 kgs to the 31 days. I wait that the results that they obtain they are for me very profitable. Thank you for his work that guides us, very especially to the beginners as me. I believe to have written that I am pediatrician egresado of the Infantile Hospital of Mexico, now incusionando in the Pig Industry. Again thank you and a great hug.

15/07/2006

José Guadalupe Franco
Mexico

Dear Dr. Gomez Urguiola:
I read their comment, in which wants to know the commercial name of the Hydrochlorate of Ractopamina. Here in Mexico he/she is known with the name of Paylean®.
I recommend him that he/she enters to the searcher of Google of Mexico and put the word Paylean, the first result of the search is an article on the Paylean that I believe it will serve him of a lot, it describes it thoroughly.
I wait to have helped him. Thank you.

José Gpe. Franco
Student of MVZ in the UAM-X

15/07/2006

José Guadalupe Franco
Mexico

Dr. Gomez Urguila:
This is the page of the article.
http://www.soyamex.com.mx/nutricion%20animal/lance%202002/porcina/Dr.%20Javier%20Rdz/paylean.pdf
Until soon.

19/07/2006

Victor War Rodriguez
Mexico

how's it going civic Carlos Gomez Urquiola.
A pleasure to greet you again and for your new participation, I will begin to respond your restlessness:
1° the alive weight of your pigs is not in good parameters if we speak of an average of 6 kg in the 10 pigs. The good weight would be near 8 kg according to standard of supply pigs in my region, some can exist according to the race or the hybrid vigor of the line that you manage.
2° give Me a lot of pleasure that that that here try of offering people it takes advantage of it, and mainly it puts it in he/she practices, not only in the aforenamed one of some.
And as for sulfate of Cu, I have not still had experiences, I have heard some comments and I know little for what I have studied, but it would be necessary to put attention in the concentration that you manage, that is to say those (ppm) of this mineral. So that you can find a good level to your necessities.
And on the other hand, the inclusion of yeasts and S. of Cu, they are appropriate preservatives to obtain a better conversion index, it is necessary to point out that each preservative, he/she has a very different physiologic way to act at cellular level inside the animal, he/she takes in all all your processes that involve your production so that at certain time with these data see which your flaw is or which your successes, ok were.
That you have good day, and also pleasant of knowing that you know my country and that you have worked in my nation, the expressed thing since in your nationality he/she says of Venezuela, good--- we see Each other soon!!!!!!!

07/09/2006

Elmer Sanchez Castañeda
Mexico

My congratulations to the Dr. War for their published article, I believe that the exposed content exposes the current mark in the commercial Pig Industry, in this case focused pigs in it puts on weight.
I also think that the focus that expresses the Dr. he/she opens new resources in feeding of our animals besides that these preservatives are not very diffused in our region. More than to offer the products and other factors, I consider that their interest was to open investigation and to contribute more knowledge. Thank you.

21/09/2006

Armando Sanchez
Mexico

Dr. War: The dosage references that I have on Pay Read (University of Purdue and Elanco), they are of 18 food g/ton, and you mention that you used 1.4 Kg in 100 Kg of food, that is to say 14 Kg/Ton!!!!!!!!!!
Is this correct or the error mine is?
Could you help me with this doubt?
Thank you ahead of time.

Armando Sanchez R.

22/09/2006

Victor War Rodriguez
Mexico

Partner biologist: your doubt is only a confusion, you should create your own critic, and when making it you will see that my inclusion was that, since the concentration of 1.4 kg of Ractopamina is the one speculated in the data of the preservative. This means the ppm, ok. Greetings!!!

23/09/2006

Armando Sanchez
Mexico

Dear Dr.
Exactly, of there my doubt. In any moment I am questioning the validity of the study, only clarifying something that I didn't understand.
Please, more barajéamela slowly. I leave you my mail for if you cannot make it for this road.
Thank you.

28/09/2006

Victor War Rodriguez
Mexico

Partner Armando: my intention is not to sell mark, and I am not able to neither I should make promotion of a product, therefore he/she doesn't write down it in the forum, but the data I have already given them to you. I wait it has been clear everything. Greetings!!!!!

24/10/2006

Claudia Raised Milena Florez
Colombia

dear Dr a great greeting and a thousand thank you and you me to prune to toast but informacin about new ingredients in the feeding of pigs their trabaajo has served me of a lot a hug claudia raised student of ocaña zootecnia n.s colombia a thousand thank you is for a nutrition work

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